Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. Seems more in line with your abilities. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! A typing error, or wishful thinking? on second thought I dont wanna know. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If the trigger safety is not . I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. I doubt it. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. Amen! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. But the real benefit is in the noise. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. But now I get 18! On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Yes, you're being silly. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Congratulations. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. Clinging to God and guns. 1; 2; Next. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? You might like it. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Want to vent about something? But no self-defense. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. So Move. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. The Last Word. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. silly? You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. Empty chamber carry is dumb. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. Training is nothing more than repetition. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. * A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? When the fight starts, ejecting a live round onto the ground, or hearing the click of a empty chamber, will just mess up your day, maybe your last day. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. They like it this way. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Momentum and all. I will still carry unchambered. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: There are also the safety concerns . But, on the bright side, ammoland just revamped their comment section so comments now dont take days/never to show up. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. I answered the asked question. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. Absolutely. Why, I havent the slightest idea. Good on you guys for responding here. -John Muir. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. Carried chambered until the kids came. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. Thank you very much. There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. Smh. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. Situational risk assessment. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. Victoria: the department said it was the pistols fault. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. . Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Agree with the author 100%. I agree about the Colt SAA. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! So yes, its completely safe. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. Whats the big deal? Some extras, just in case one breaks? Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. U.S. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . The fix was to add a safety. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. One other one was very tragic. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Trigger Safety. Have you ever failed to yield the right of way when making a left turn? Wonder why guns are the most logical option? More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. Pull back the hammer, you notice how it clicks 4 times? He thinks. But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! 30 years carrying, 20 in the military with 6 combat deployments. I think it's more about . Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Kentucky CCDW Instructor. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. Not much difference really. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. Maybe. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. We were assured that; were working on it. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. I've never been to the range with you and I know . The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Marshals (1998). In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will.